Through their longstanding collaboration, Fred Moten and Stefano Harney have written several important books on the intersections of race, capitalism, and knowledge. On March 11, 2022, Igor Marjanović and Ana Miljački sat down to talk to Moten and Harney (via Zoom) about a range of topics from their influential book The Undercommons: Fugitive Planning & Black Study, including the questions of debt, mentorship, and black study, as well as their connections to the notions of brokenness and wordlessness.

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